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Post by buckcheeks on Apr 21, 2015 13:41:12 GMT -5
If you're insinuating that we agree on everything, you couldn't be further from the truth.
Fact is, he straight up told it how it is. And he's right. Therefore, I agree with him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 13:41:35 GMT -5
Not sure I should even allow the Raptors to do this.. considering they dealt Eddie Jones for Christie and are now waiving him. Thoughts? This isn't a fair way to judge it. A lot can happen from then to now. See what the Kings have done? The Bullets? Teams can get better or worse, or change their plans. I made a deal with Bullets this offseason for his 05 1st which I figured on being a late pick. Now it could very well be a lottery pick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 13:42:43 GMT -5
Somehow, the NuggetsGM and I agree. I don't think this is out of the normal as far as being realistic. But honestly, I'm okay with either decision. but unrealistic is for a rebuilding team starting a rookie (Jared Jeffries) over an old fart like Gheorge Muresean? you were pretty irate over that (because it stood to have an impact on your precious Kings pick) but have no issue with this (because it stands to impact your team by claiming them off waivers) at least have some consistency with your views. I believe you exclaimed on the shout box that you have no desire to play in a league where teams aren't trying to put their best lineup on the court, or something of that sort. bit hypocritical that you back this move where they are just flat releasing two of their STARTERS. only reason I have an opinion on this is because of how much shit I was given for starting Jeffries. if I am going to be scrutinized to that extreme of a level, something this obvious definitely needs to be looked at equally. Oh, and for the record, I'm pretty sure the Kings having a better pick would influence my team a helluva lot more then Christie or Robinson. So if anything, if that's the case like you mentioned above, I should be against them waiving both guys. Or do you wanna have your cake and eat it too?
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Post by buckcheeks on Apr 21, 2015 13:43:36 GMT -5
Not sure I should even allow the Raptors to do this.. considering they dealt Eddie Jones for Christie and are now waiving him. Thoughts? This isn't a fair way to judge it. A lot can happen from then to now. See what the Kings have done? The Bullets? Teams can get better or worse, or change their plans. What has changed? He didn't make that trade thinking he'd contend and then cut Christie because he wasn't. That's common sense.
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Post by buckcheeks on Apr 21, 2015 13:44:14 GMT -5
but unrealistic is for a rebuilding team starting a rookie (Jared Jeffries) over an old fart like Gheorge Muresean? you were pretty irate over that (because it stood to have an impact on your precious Kings pick) but have no issue with this (because it stands to impact your team by claiming them off waivers) at least have some consistency with your views. I believe you exclaimed on the shout box that you have no desire to play in a league where teams aren't trying to put their best lineup on the court, or something of that sort. bit hypocritical that you back this move where they are just flat releasing two of their STARTERS. only reason I have an opinion on this is because of how much shit I was given for starting Jeffries. if I am going to be scrutinized to that extreme of a level, something this obvious definitely needs to be looked at equally. Oh, and for the record, I'm pretty sure the Kings having a better pick would influence my team a helluva lot more then Christie or Robinson. So if anything, if that's the case like you mentioned above, I should be against them waiving both guys. Or do you wanna have your cake and eat it too? Would make sense if it was the Kings doing the waiving...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 13:46:19 GMT -5
Oh, and for the record, I'm pretty sure the Kings having a better pick would influence my team a helluva lot more then Christie or Robinson. So if anything, if that's the case like you mentioned above, I should be against them waiving both guys. Or do you wanna have your cake and eat it too? Would make sense if it was the Kings doing the waiving... My point is I should be rooting for the Kings do worse, not vote for something that allows a team to do worse than the Kings. Me having Christie and or Robinson doesn't influence my team as much as Toronto having both players. Again, I would be okay with either decision the commissioner makes. Both of you have lost sight in that....shocker....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 13:47:29 GMT -5
but unrealistic is for a rebuilding team starting a rookie (Jared Jeffries) over an old fart like Gheorge Muresean? you were pretty irate over that (because it stood to have an impact on your precious Kings pick) but have no issue with this (because it stands to impact your team by claiming them off waivers) at least have some consistency with your views. I believe you exclaimed on the shout box that you have no desire to play in a league where teams aren't trying to put their best lineup on the court, or something of that sort. bit hypocritical that you back this move where they are just flat releasing two of their STARTERS. only reason I have an opinion on this is because of how much shit I was given for starting Jeffries. if I am going to be scrutinized to that extreme of a level, something this obvious definitely needs to be looked at equally. Oh, and for the record, I'm pretty sure the Kings having a better pick would influence my team a helluva lot more then Christie or Robinson. So if anything, if that's the case like you mentioned above, I should be against them waiving both guys. Or do you wanna have your cake and eat it too? You clearly have conceded that the Kings pick will not be a top 4 pick, like everyone told you before, which is why this is no big deal to you now. While we are on the subject though, where were you in the shoutbox when the Knicks started Dickau over 4 better PG's? bayksball.com/hoops/gamelog.php?ID=281Dickau is almost 40 points worse than Cleaves. Figured you would be leading the charge, pitchfork in hand, against this move.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 13:52:31 GMT -5
Oh, and for the record, I'm pretty sure the Kings having a better pick would influence my team a helluva lot more then Christie or Robinson. So if anything, if that's the case like you mentioned above, I should be against them waiving both guys. Or do you wanna have your cake and eat it too? You clearly have conceded that the Kings pick will not be a top 4 pick, like everyone told you before, which is why this is no big deal to you now. While we are on the subject though, where were you in the shoutbox when the Knicks started Dickau over 4 better PG's? bayksball.com/hoops/gamelog.php?ID=281Dickau is almost 40 points worse than Cleaves. Figured you would be leading the charge, pitchfork in hand, against this move. .....and you realize that the KnicksGM hasn't been active in over a month, correct? LMAO As far as the Kings pick, why would I give up on it won't be top 4? If he sees his team not making the playoffs, he could very well make moves seeing as he's already in the red and can't improve in the offseason. If it's going to be a lottery pick which I'll take the roll of the dice.
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Post by jafx99 (GSW) on Apr 21, 2015 13:53:20 GMT -5
I don't usually like to comment or interfere in how GM's see fit to run thier teams but now might be a good time to draw line between what is rebuilding and what is tanking. This has the feel of a tank job.
It can be a gray area for sure, but tanking for the sake of tanking is not good for the league as it can create a competive imbalance within the league depending on how those assets are disposed of.
Not it sure if I'm saying it in way that makes sense, so let's just say that I would be for a veto on this in light of how Christie was acquired.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 13:56:55 GMT -5
You clearly have conceded that the Kings pick will not be a top 4 pick, like everyone told you before, which is why this is no big deal to you now. While we are on the subject though, where were you in the shoutbox when the Knicks started Dickau over 4 better PG's? bayksball.com/hoops/gamelog.php?ID=281Dickau is almost 40 points worse than Cleaves. Figured you would be leading the charge, pitchfork in hand, against this move. .....and you realize that the KnicksGM hasn't been active in over a month, correct? LMAO As far as the Kings pick, why would I give up on it won't be top 4? If he sees his team not making the playoffs, he could very well make moves seeing as he's already in the red and can't improve in the offseason. If it's going to be a lottery pick which I'll take the roll of the dice. did you even look at his game log? so you are telling me the Knicks have been "inactive for over a month" (which is 100% false. not posting on the forums doesn't mean he isn't exporting a lineup and game plan.) but somehow Dickau just this last sim surpassed the 4 PG rated higher than him and his minutes shot up from around 5 a game to 30+..... seems legit.
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Post by KingsGM on Apr 21, 2015 14:06:23 GMT -5
I think allowing this will cause a domino effect of bad teams to start cutting roster worthy players
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 14:10:38 GMT -5
.....and you realize that the KnicksGM hasn't been active in over a month, correct? LMAO As far as the Kings pick, why would I give up on it won't be top 4? If he sees his team not making the playoffs, he could very well make moves seeing as he's already in the red and can't improve in the offseason. If it's going to be a lottery pick which I'll take the roll of the dice. did you even look at his game log? so you are telling me the Knicks have been "inactive for over a month" (which is 100% false. not posting on the forums doesn't mean he isn't exporting a lineup and game plan.) but somehow Dickau just this last sim surpassed the 4 PG rated higher than him and his minutes shot up from around 5 a game to 30+..... seems legit. First off, I don't look at other teams game logs unless I played that team. The only reason I even saw yours was because another team brought it up in the shout box, then I looked. Again, you losing sight over the truth. SHOCKER! Second off, you still haven't addressed that you were blatantly tanking. You virtually admitted it in one of your replies above. Finally, Dickau has only played in 16 games, as well as less minutes then Cleaves and Herren. ps- Make up your mind. Is it the precious Kings pick that I'm worried about, or is it just you? Because you don't make any sense. In one case you try to say I'm trying to protect my Kings pick, in another case I'm not worried about the Kings or Raptors....because? If anything, I should be trying everything in my power for the Kings pick to be as worst as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 14:26:35 GMT -5
did you even look at his game log? so you are telling me the Knicks have been "inactive for over a month" (which is 100% false. not posting on the forums doesn't mean he isn't exporting a lineup and game plan.) but somehow Dickau just this last sim surpassed the 4 PG rated higher than him and his minutes shot up from around 5 a game to 30+..... seems legit. First off, I don't look at other teams game logs unless I played that team. The only reason I even saw yours was because another team brought it up in the shout box, then I looked. Again, you losing sight over the truth. SHOCKER! Second off, you still haven't addressed that you were blatantly tanking. You virtually admitted it in one of your replies above. Finally, Dickau has only played in 16 games, as well as less minutes then Cleaves and Herren. ps- Make up your mind. Is it the precious Kings pick that I'm worried about, or is it just you? Because you don't make any sense. In one case you try to say I'm trying to protect my Kings pick, in another case I'm not worried about the Kings or Raptors....because? If anything, I should be trying everything in my power for the Kings pick to be as worst as possible. Clearly you don't understand what rebuilding is. What incentive does a rebuilding team have to play a guy who is over 30 and expiring over a rookie? other than to appease you and your endless whining. and what difference does how many games Dickau has played in matter? anyone with an IQ over 50 can conclude by looking at the game log that Dickau was inserted at starting PG this last sim. not sure why how many games he has played in matters at all since he is now obviously starting logging more than 30MPG this last sim. but hey, he is inactive right? so it must be that pesky FBB ghost that takes over our teams and inserts crazy lineups. you can even go one further and check the box score, and incredibly it tells you who the starters were. pretty neat feature! you aren't worried about the Kings pick because its obvious it isn't going to be a bottom 5 pick like you vehemently proclaimed all offseason. so having conceded to that fact, you aren't concerned with the teams who may be making moves that could make the Kings pick less valuable. you are only concerned about how other teams transactions impact your own team. if it is in a negative way, whine. if it is in a positive way, like this could potentially be, you are all for it. saying you are fine with either outcome doesn't matter because we all are obviously fine with whatever the commish decides. the commish however asked for opinions though, and that was your opinion. I am just pointing out the irony that your arguments only seem to go in line with how it impacts your own team.
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Post by OldNuggetsGM on Apr 21, 2015 14:37:45 GMT -5
Apparently you are blind because I said I was perfectly okay with either scenario. Christie would be my 3rd option off the bench, so it really doesn't effect me to the degree you want to draw up in your peanut of a brain. The guy I really want who can help us is Robinson. I don't think you'll be able to sign both guys as you won't have the cap space...
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Post by kingdom (BOS) on Apr 21, 2015 14:44:00 GMT -5
Not sure I should even allow the Raptors to do this.. considering they dealt Eddie Jones for Christie and are now waiving him. Thoughts? I'd vote for no on Christie. Let the Admiral be fair game on waivers
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